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scooter Kondur
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:08:00 -
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Free Speech
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.
Sorry to say guys it is the different people that make Eve special. If you want to continue to ruin your game keep it up. People are always complaining about how CCP caters to the carebears (or whatever group) and how the game is continuously being dumbed down. This, lets call it pussification, of the game needs to stop. The constant rule changing, rule bending and silencing of individuals to appease the vocal minority of whiners needs to stop. I really see this as becoming a serious issue because of the partnership between Sony and CCP for Dust. Is Sony going to further strongarm CCP into adopting their PR policies?
If you can't take a joke, a troll or off the cuff remark then you need to HTFU.
That being said I will viciously troll you if you spew *** hate or any hate in my local but I will defend your right to your own views as well.
P.S. I was mad, had a cookie and now I'm ok |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:17:00 -
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Karadion wrote:You're what's wrong with eve. Give me your stuff and biomass yourself so we can finally fix Eve.
Dear Goon: possibly I love you more then Jesus, iono.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:21:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Karadion wrote:You're what's wrong with eve. Give me your stuff and biomass yourself so we can finally fix Eve. Not empty quoting. CCP ban this ******* scooter guy from the forums already.
Dear Hello Kitty Fan Club member: Please keep in mind this is not hello kitty world, it is that way. I am not sure where you are from, but where I am from, which is canadas ppl are allowed to talk, out loud, if you dont want to hear what i say my sggest is twofold, firstly, stick your fingers in your ears and yell lalalala as loud as you can secondly dont read my forum threads, making ppl be quiet doesnt stop them thinking and not liking you, also, while i wont play patty cake with you i wont stop you from playing with your other hello kitty pals good day |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:24:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Free speech is relative. Always has been.
I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:28:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Free speech is relative. Always has been. I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box. We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be]. Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought.
That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:30:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Karadion wrote:You're what's wrong with eve. Give me your stuff and biomass yourself so we can finally fix Eve. Not empty quoting. CCP ban this ******* scooter guy from the forums already. Dear Hello Kitty Fan Club member: Please keep in mind this is not hello kitty world, it is that way. I am not sure where you are from, but where I am from, which is canadas ppl are allowed to talk, out loud, if you dont want to hear what i say my sggest is twofold, firstly, stick your fingers in your ears and yell lalalala as loud as you can secondly dont read my forum threads, making ppl be quiet doesnt stop them thinking and not liking you, also, while i wont play patty cake with you i wont stop you from playing with your other hello kitty pals good day Dude, this is the hello kitty online forums, and whilst on here your posts are expected to be of a certain quality. As for people being allowed to talk out loud in canada, try walking in to a public library and rambling in the same way you do on these forums. I think you'll find even in the real world there are necessary limits to personal freedoms.
If you are looking for a library, without discourse I would point you in the direction of the WIKI. The title of this forum is EVE General Discussion. In regards to quality, there are people who drink tap water and those that drink Evian, if anything quality is all relative. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:32:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Free speech is relative. Always has been. I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box. We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be]. Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought. That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person. I don't think posting terrible, barely literate crap on the internet really constitutes any kind of "out of the box" behavior. Its just annoying and disruptive.
And so is colouring outside of the lines. Sorry you can't take away my crayons either.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:45:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Free speech is relative. Always has been. I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box. We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be]. Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought. That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person. When you own your forum you can have your free speech. Doesn't change that others can dictate how their forums will be used.
This of course is the logic that leads to the slippery slope that EVE is moving towards. What is next, no trolling ever, no spamming in Jita ever, sounds nice right? After that no more scamming, no more corp thieving, no more can flipping? How about no more non-consensual PVP? How far down do we need to go until the game is no fun for anyone anymore?
The point that you are all missing in this is that CCP will no longer be calling the shots. A few nagging calls from Play Station parents about how their son Billy so loved Dust that he created an EVE account and was promptly scammed out of everything he owned, and that someone ought to do something to keep that sort of thing from happening again?
Won't happen you say? You have never worked in customer service. Watch and see I guess. But I will continue to defend the trolls so long as I can because once they go, who will be next? |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:10:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I don't care where the line in the sand ends up being drawn, as long as you spamming the forums with crap every night is on the side that ends up getting axed.
You can cry about whatever you want, trolling is trolling and its against the tos. Some leniency is fine, but you regularly create intentionally pointless, inane or rubbish threads that bury the few decent threads that get posted here. It wouldn't be so bad if you were imaginative enough to be an entertaining troll.
Anyway, you should just be banned under the tos, and we should all be allowed to move on and forget you exist.
TBH I have no idea what you are referring to. Possibly you are some sort of communist who doesn't like any form of dissent or you have absolutely no sense of humour. If you read my early post in this thread which I am certain you haven't, you are one of those people that need to HTFU. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:12:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:I wondered why my tinfoil stocks were going crazy. I then found out that scooter had posted.
If been constantly vigilant and trying to ward of hate mongers and those that would oppress that weak requires a tin foil fat then I will take two. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:46:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Funny thing about free speech. It goes both ways.
Exactly. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:47:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:I don't care where the line in the sand ends up being drawn, as long as you spamming the forums with crap every night is on the side that ends up getting axed.
You can cry about whatever you want, trolling is trolling and its against the tos. Some leniency is fine, but you regularly create intentionally pointless, inane or rubbish threads that bury the few decent threads that get posted here. It wouldn't be so bad if you were imaginative enough to be an entertaining troll.
Anyway, you should just be banned under the tos, and we should all be allowed to move on and forget you exist. TBH I have no idea what you are referring to. Possibly you are some sort of communist who doesn't like any form of dissent or you have absolutely no sense of humour. If you read my early post in this thread which I am certain you haven't, you are one of those people that need to HTFU. Obligatory umadbro. In place of your being banned, I would also be satisfied should CCP choose to send you on an extensive humour training course instead. Currently you are about as amusing as catching crabs.
I am trying to decide which Jita ton of yours whose corn flakes it is that I peed on.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 01:49:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual. I'm tempted to ask you how you reconcile this with your blind hatred and persecution of anything related to Goons; but I have a feeling that question might cause your brain to implode.
You are taking that out of context and character. I am looking at the camera right now and breaking the 4th wall. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 02:32:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:The only problem with Eve Online is that real life gets in the way.
Quit your job? |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 02:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Free Speech Does not apply to EVE.
It did, it ought to. Instead of working on WiS they should be focusing their attention on more important world shaping issues such as this. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 02:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:It did, it ought to. No, and no. Free speech does not apply to private entities and certainly not to games run by those private entities. Want to express yourself freely? Good news: you're (largely) free to do it somewhere else. Around here, you have no such right or privilege.
My house my rules? No unless you like to be treated like a 5 year old. And it doesn't matter companies are still subject to the laws of the land. And the law of the internet is Free Speech.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:17:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Free Speech
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.
Sorry to say guys it is the different people that make Eve special. If you want to continue to ruin your game keep it up. People are always complaining about how CCP caters to the carebears (or whatever group) and how the game is continuously being dumbed down. This, lets call it pussification, of the game needs to stop. The constant rule changing, rule bending and silencing of individuals to appease the vocal minority of whiners needs to stop. I really see this as becoming a serious issue because of the partnership between Sony and CCP for Dust. Is Sony going to further strongarm CCP into adopting their PR policies?
If you can't take a joke, a troll or off the cuff remark then you need to HTFU.
That being said I will viciously troll you if you spew *** hate or any hate in my local but I will defend your right to your own views as well.
P.S. I was mad, had a cookie and now I'm ok Will you defend someone's "Freedom" to incite Someone else to commit suicide?? CCP upholding human decency , THUMBS UP!!
In Canada, specifically Quebec teams doctors offer end of life counselling. So not exactly the same thing for certain. there is nothing really wrong with doing so if there are sufficient medical reasons.
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scooter Kondur
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:My house my rules? Yes. You accepted those rules when you made your account, when you created your character, and when you logged in. Quote:And it doesn't matter companies are still subject to the laws of the land. GǪand the law of the land is that free speech does not apply to private entities, and certainly not to the games they run. CCP is not a government; it does not have a constitution; it's a private entity that offers you a EULA where you have exactly one right: you are free to close your account at any time. You're also free to reject this EULA, but then you forfeit the privilege of saying things around here.
CCP can not institute a series of rules that are contrary to the laws by which it is governed itself.
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scooter Kondur
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:18:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Free Speech
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.
Sorry to say guys it is the different people that make Eve special. If you want to continue to ruin your game keep it up. People are always complaining about how CCP caters to the carebears (or whatever group) and how the game is continuously being dumbed down. This, lets call it pussification, of the game needs to stop. The constant rule changing, rule bending and silencing of individuals to appease the vocal minority of whiners needs to stop. I really see this as becoming a serious issue because of the partnership between Sony and CCP for Dust. Is Sony going to further strongarm CCP into adopting their PR policies?
If you can't take a joke, a troll or off the cuff remark then you need to HTFU.
That being said I will viciously troll you if you spew *** hate or any hate in my local but I will defend your right to your own views as well.
P.S. I was mad, had a cookie and now I'm ok Will you defend someone's "Freedom" to incite Someone else to commit suicide?? CCP upholding human decency , THUMBS UP!! I may not agree with it, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself.
That is all that I ask.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:CCP can not institute a series of rules that are contrary to the laws by which it is governed itself. Yes they can. More to the point, though, since you missed the key part: they're not a government. Consequently, they are not governed by the law that provides you with free speech, so even if they were limited the way you wished they were, they still wouldn't be constrained by the laws in question.
Tippia, no they can't. CCP can't make you sign an agreement into slavery either. (insert joke on grinding missions and mining here) They can include any sort of waiver of certain rights (as do many employers) but this isn't even the same thing and more likelly then not would even be enforceable. The point is and the one that always seems to escape you (because you are short sighted and lack common sense) is that it doesn't matter what is but what ought to be. And this is a bigger societal problem at any rate where mob mentality dictates policy which denies basic human rights. If you are arguing that because CCP is a big company they can do whatever they want, then you are clearly wrong. |
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scooter Kondur
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:38:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:CCP can not institute a series of rules that are contrary to the laws by which it is governed itself. Yes they can. More to the point, though, since you missed the key part: they're not a government. Consequently, they are not governed by the law that provides you with free speech, so even if they were limited the way you wished they were, they still wouldn't be constrained by the laws in question. Tippia, no they can't. CCP can't make you sign an agreement into slavery either. (insert joke on grinding missions and mining here) They can include any sort of waiver of certain rights (as do many employers) but this isn't even the same thing and more likelly then not would even be enforceable. The point is and the one that always seems to escape you (because you are short sighted and lack common sense) is that it doesn't matter what is but what ought to be. And this is a bigger societal problem at any rate where mob mentality dictates policy which denies basic human rights. If you are arguing that because CCP is a big company they can do whatever they want, then you are clearly wrong. They can't do whatever they want because they are a big company. But they can restrict your speech as they see fit.
Even if this were true, and this is the point, they shouldn't. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:42:00 -
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It isn't in their best interests to do so. The whole point of this game and meta game is risk/reward/consequences. If you start messing around with what sort of meta gaming you are allowed to do then you are going to change this game to the point where it isn't enjoyable.
Further you are setting precedents for what types of intervention will be consider acceptable. It is a slippery slope that should be avoided altogether. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:55:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia, no they can't. CCP can't make you sign an agreement into slavery either. No, they can't. You can however offer the agreement. It is up to you to sign it or not sign it. Of course, for such a hyperbolic, ludicrous example you'd expect they'd never be able to enforce it; but for simple matters requiring a code of conduct that you are expected to obey? Of course they can. It is your choice and your right to accept their rules. scooter Kondur wrote:It isn't in their best interests to do so. The whole point of this game and meta game is risk/reward/consequences. If you start messing around with what sort of meta gaming you are allowed to do then you are going to change this game to the point where it isn't enjoyable. How can you say this with a straight face when you want(ed) all the Goons banned from the game?
As always it doesn't matter how serious or not you are being the points that are trying to be made always get lost no matter how many times they are spelled out nut I will try again.
Do I honestly care about goons, no never. Do I care about Jita burning? No why would I it is a game. Do I think the group on the whole are absolutely unimpressive and uninspired, yes. does it matter what I think on that matter - no matter what side I am on, no.
Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. As a blunt analogy, you are murdered for your views on religion in some country some place. Same thing, period. CCP should not be bowing down to the masses not just because it is will change the game but it has the potential to destroy it.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:00:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Karadion wrote:You're what's wrong with eve. Give me your stuff and biomass yourself so we can finally fix Eve. Not empty quoting. CCP ban this ******* scooter guy from the forums already. Actually, this type of attitude is a perfect example of the major problem affecting these forums and the game itself. Immediately jumping on any and every chance to post personal attacks and troll threads with sarcastic remarks intended to demean, berate and intentionally incite a flame war to derail the thread, eventually forcing the thread to be locked and the topic to be re-posted again. This type of behavior has been out of control now for quite a while. It is consequently affecting the game, both in terms of getting prospective new players to subscribe as well as driving existing players away from the game. Within the past 4 years I've watched this type of behavior become increasingly more prevalent, basically turning into the 'Modus Operandi' for the forums and in-game. The major party responsible for this is CCP, plain and simple. CCP's lack of moderator presence and lack of forum activity has incited and encouraged this problem to grow. The various erratic bursts of CCP enforcing Forum rules and at times appearing to conduct biased selective moderation only incites and encourages rage from both sides of the fence. The Eve Forums were originally intended to be a productive helpful resource for the Eve Community to gain and share information as well as be a platform for the exchange of ideas, all to be conducted in a friendly manner. In order to maintain this standard, users need to read and abide by the conditions listed in the Forum Rules. By participating in the forums, users are confirming they will comply by those rules. CCP has a long hard road to travel trying to turn these forums back into what they were originally intended. As such all users can help CCP achieve that objective simply by complying with the Forum Rules, using the Report Option (flag icon next to time stamp in header of posted reply) for noncompliance replies and lastly, File Complaint on any discrepancy or suspected inappropriate actions of moderators.
I mostly disagree. I have had many causes to flag comment or in-game mails but I don't. People are entitled to their opinions and comments. That being said I would have to agree with the haphazard moderation. I prefer none. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:26:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:scooter Kondur wrote: ...
Do I honestly care about goons, no never. Do I care about Jita burning? No why would I it is a game. Do I think the group on the whole are absolutely unimpressive and uninspired, yes. does it matter what I think on that matter - no matter what side I am on, no.
Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. ... scooter Kondur wrote:operationget goons out of eve is a grassroots movement to get ccp to perma ban all goon and goon like activiteis from eve From here. scooter Kondur wrote:cant wait till they get banned here, days are obv numbered From hereetc. So again - you actively call for the banning of a number of players because you dislike how they play the game. Yet, when you feel your freedom to call for people to break a Non-disclosure Agreement is being infringed (Or whatever it is that you have your panties in a twist about this time) you think there should be some form of protection ...
Let's put a different Avatar in place of mine and see if that changes how you read any of what is being said?
Goons:
Do you think at all that any sort of ranting about the Goons are going to get them all banned. If so please outline the scenario in which it is possible. If you are still unable to see the irony please try again.
NDA:
What can you say. In light of the number of threads about Dust 514 I am truly surprised that no one can appreciate the beauty and irony in that one as well. NDA? What can you say? |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:37:00 -
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Quote:Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. No, the point is that no such infringement is taking place here.[/quote]
It is. If you are unable to see that then it is lost on you. If you are unable to see the consequences then sadly that is lost on you as well.
You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land and yes there are reasonable limits that can be imposed (or self imposed) but no court is going to uphold an egregious arrangement. I don't think EVE is entering a totalitarian state, but given what the Eve community is/as I don't like the direction it is headed in and neither should you.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:It is. No, it's not. What laws has CCP passed that restricts your ability or reduces your right to express yourself? What measures has CCP taken to editorialise your input in all forms of media? What measures has CCP taken to restrict people from accessing venues you frequent? What equipment has CCP seized to prevent you from spreading your ideas? The answer to all of the above is, obviously, GÇ£noneGÇ¥. You are still as free as ever to express what you want to express. CCP can just choose not to let you use their media to do so, as is their right as the publishers of those media and as delineated in the contract you've entered with them. Quote:You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land GǪand the fact remains: the law of the land is that companies are not governed by the laws that ensure free speech GÇö the government is. CCP is not a government. They can restrict your ability to use them as a soap box as much as they'd like. Just like they cannot force you to sign away your life, you cannot force them to provide you with a soap box from which you can scream aboutGǪ whatever it is you want to scream about.
Medium is the message.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:23:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land and yes there are reasonable limits that can be imposed (or self imposed) but no court is going to uphold an egregious arrangement. I don't think EVE is entering a totalitarian state, but given what the Eve community is/as I don't like the direction it is headed in and neither should you. This is a very different scooter ... I like this one more. Please post more like this. So here is a question then - what about evolution in a community? You speak of this community as if it is a cohesive, semi-sentient entity. If we treat it as such and it has a change of mind and starts moving in a different direction; should the person feeding it assist? Or use the rod to keep it where they wanted it in the first place? It almost makes me wonder who owns EVE Online. If it is us, the players, the community (Or society if you like) determines what is acceptable to them. If it is CCP, well, then the decision is theirs - is it not?
I think similar sort of interplay happens when one considers immigration. If you open the flood gates the community which change too much to fast but kept closed it will die. Does the community as a whole have a right to determine who the new members are? As the parents do we get to decide? Clearly with out CCP there would be no players and vice versa. I don't know, probably the answer is somewhere in the middle ground. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Medium is the message. No. A medium is a medium. A message is a message. One may carry the other but they are not the same. GǪand your freedom of speech is not being infringed upon by CCP. To claim so is absurd and completely confuses what free speech is, and what the right to it actually entails.
I wiki'd it for you. Not my quote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
Consider this, what would you rather I tell you to shut up or I ignore everything you say as if you never said it. Eve is a medium, you can silence in whatever way you like but it doesn't mean what was said or thought doesn't exist. Does anyone need to even bother to make an argument that dissent is healthy and that it should be promoted? I would say that CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just as much as anyone else.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:I wiki'd it for you. Not my quote. You should probably read that a bit closer, thenGǪ Quote:Eve is a medium, you can silence in whatever way you like but it doesn't mean what was said or thought doesn't exist. No, but it does mean that CCP does not want to be associated with what was said, as is their right. Quote:I would say that CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just as much as anyone else. No, they don't, and more to the point, that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your idea of freedom of speech means that you must now go and post in every subforum on these boards that you are a complete fool and a jackass, and that I'm the smartest guy around and that if if you don't do this, you are infringing on my freedom of speech. There's just one problem with this idea: it's completely and hilariously bonkers and it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. You see, your freedoms and rights end the instant they come in contact with my freedom and rights (and vice versa). This means that I am free not to repeat your ravings and your right to express them end with me. You do not have the right to force me to repeat them, and my not repeating them does not infringe your freedom to say it to begin with. CCP has the same right not to broadcast your rantings if they do not like them. Their decision not to do so does not infringe on your freedom to speech. You're still just as free to express yourself GÇö you just can't force CCP to repeat what you say. You do not have any freedom of speech on these boards, because that freedom ceases to exist the instant it touches CCP's medium of communication, and all you can hope for is that they, out of the kindness of their heart, decide to let your message pass.
I would suggest you reread the wiki and maybe take sometime to digest it and get a grasp for the bigger picture.
Let's live in your world where no one is allowed any medium for dissent and they are never heard. What a boring place to live. How many examples do you need of people how had to repeatedly say hey look at me I have a great idea but were passed over for years until someone took notice? Voices and ideas that offer a different outlook or change shouldn't be silenced ever. CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just like everyone else.
You know sometimes I think you are dead wrong (and it hurts my head to read it) but I still read what you say and consider it. How would you feel if no one listened? More so what if you weren't given a voice at all. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:15:00 -
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Jackal Datapaw wrote:Alpheias wrote:Jackal Datapaw wrote:Alpheias wrote:Scooter's argumentative flailing reminds me of somebody who can't swim and is getting increasingly desperate to stay above the water surface. Thing is, if no one posted to this thread, it would of sunk down to the bottom...Unnoticed Still, I find his desperate struggle to highly entertaining. Care for some popcorn? Way a-head of you!
Your contribution to this riveting thread have been duly noted.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:25:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
Hey Scoot. What information is CCP suppressing from you? I must have missed that part.
I think we got off track a while back. I forget now. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:31:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Hey Scoot. What information is CCP suppressing from you? I must have missed that part.
I think we got off track a while back. I forget now. Well then you aren't helping your argument very much, are you?
All I know is I came looking to buy a nice PI toon and maybe fly logi and I ended up here. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:41:00 -
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All that and you missed the point about Free Speech. |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:48:00 -
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Jackal Datapaw wrote:Then you should of made that a little more clear on your very first post! :D
It was in CAPS how much clearer can you get?
*still haven't found PI toon* |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 07:01:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Jackal Datapaw wrote:Then you should of made that a little more clear on your very first post! :D It was in CAPS how much clearer can you get? *still haven't found PI toon* Make one. It takes a month. You will spend more paying the transfer fees for a PI alt than the character would be worth.
need logi pilot too for incursions
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Posted - 2012.04.24 07:17:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Jackal Datapaw wrote:Then you should of made that a little more clear on your very first post! :D It was in CAPS how much clearer can you get? *still haven't found PI toon* Make one. It takes a month. You will spend more paying the transfer fees for a PI alt than the character would be worth. need logi pilot too for incursions Well which one do you want? Logi or PI? Edit: Power of Two, man. Use it.
Both and already have... to many times to count.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:18:00 -
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Your entire complaint relies on your assumption that you have a right to be rebroadcast, but the fundamental problem with this is that no such right exist, and the funny thing is that it's free speech that ensures that you don't have this right.[/quote]
Yes they do.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:27:00 -
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fyi im still looking for PI logi toon |
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